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Re: martial law

Postby Nater11 » Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 am

On boat ramp closure...


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Re: martial law

Postby mgrant » Wed Apr 01, 2020 6:46 pm

MarcN wrote:Bet joe didn’t die of covid he died of last pneumonia the thing no one understands covid doesn’t kill it leads to pneumonia that kills you we aren’t dealing with the plaque


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Re: martial law

Postby MarcN » Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:55 pm

Oh wow an article from a news channel they always tell the complete story so little lesson Coronavirus doesn’t kill you it turns to pneumonia and kills you but that wouldn’t get everyone to give up their constitutional right so they scare everyone into thinking Coronavirus will kill you so you will look to them to save you and now your living in a socialist empire
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Re: martial law

Postby mgrant » Wed Apr 01, 2020 9:20 pm

MarcN wrote:Oh wow an article from a news channel they always tell the complete story so little lesson Coronavirus doesn’t kill you it turns to pneumonia and kills you but that wouldn’t get everyone to give up their constitutional right so they scare everyone into thinking Coronavirus will kill you so you will look to them to save you and now your living in a socialist empire


Ya, well I'm going to do what ever I can to stay healthy and alive, especially since I have been diagnosed with COPD when I was in my early 30s, from black mold exposure while working for the US Army (I've never smoked a day in my life)...needless to say, my 5 mile daily runs and amateur boxing came to a sudden end.

So I am going to do what I think is smart, which is listen to the medical professionals, especially my personal doctor. If that labels me as a commie socialist instead of an entitled redneck, then so be it.
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Re: martial law

Postby smitty » Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:15 am

viking - you just kicked a hornet's nest. Now I don't feel so alone, I do it all the time.

Boat launches - since the game wardens, DNR, BLM, etc. (forest cops) are getting paid to do nothing, why can't they sanitize rest rooms at boat launches? If memory serves, my boat tabs and launch fees and Discovery Pass already pay for this. Will I get a refund if I cannot use said facilities? On a brighter note, now that we can't actually use fuel, it is practically free.
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Re: martial law

Postby Ahusk » Thu Apr 02, 2020 6:13 am

smitty wrote:viking - you just kicked a hornet's nest. Now I don't feel so alone, I do it all the time.

Boat launches - since the game wardens, DNR, BLM, etc. (forest cops) are getting paid to do nothing, why can't they sanitize rest rooms at boat launches? If memory serves, my boat tabs and launch fees and Discovery Pass already pay for this. Will I get a refund if I cannot use said facilities? On a brighter note, now that we can't actually use fuel, it is practically free.


What if an individual with covid was the person that used the bathroom right before you and coughed all over the thing? There is only so much cleaning you can do.


Just pack a portable toilet. So far reports are our ramps aren't barricaded. Hopefully it stays that way and thankfully I know where there are private ramps on both my home rivers if it comes to that.
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Re: martial law

Postby chyp » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:08 am

Saying "COVID-19 doesn't kill you, it's the pneumonia that kills you." is accurate but it's like saying "He didn't die from a knife wound, he died from all his blood leaking out onto the floor." The first one is the cause of the other and either way a person wants to look at it, dead is dead. Here's a good article about what COVID-19 does to your body and how it does it....

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2 ... af2fcb6146
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Re: martial law

Postby viking » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:30 am

Mgrant -- for various health reasons I am into the carnivore diet and intermittent fasting. Effects are somewhat individualized, but interesting stories abound. So I thought, "what about COPD?" This led me to the following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWYtTnlEQG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMInltS4-RM
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Re: martial law

Postby mgrant » Thu Apr 02, 2020 9:47 am

viking wrote:Mgrant -- for various health reasons I am into the carnivore diet and intermittent fasting. Effects are somewhat individualized, but interesting stories abound. So I thought, "what about COPD?" This led me to the following.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWYtTnlEQG4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMInltS4-RM


As am I, thanks. I also can't stress enough of eating a good probiotic, such as sauerkraut, cottage cheese, kimchi, etc...it put a stop to my ulcer, and I feel a lot healthier
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Re: martial law

Postby smitty » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:54 am

Ahusk wrote:
What if an individual with covid was the person that used the bathroom right before you and coughed all over the thing? There is only so much cleaning you can do.



Do you still buy fuel? Do you still buy groceries? Are fuel pumps and grocery stores not in the same category as a restroom at a boat launch?
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Re: martial law

Postby mgrant » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:19 am

smitty wrote:
Ahusk wrote:
What if an individual with covid was the person that used the bathroom right before you and coughed all over the thing? There is only so much cleaning you can do.



Do you still buy fuel? Do you still buy groceries? Are fuel pumps and grocery stores not in the same category as a restroom at a boat launch?


There is a difference, and having worked in both of these sectors in previous lives, I'm well familiar with the economics of both. Grocery stores and gas stations have employees paid by sales and if deemed essential, their jobs continue. Government workers, to clean all those bathrooms after each use, are paid by tax dollars. Since most agencies were hard hit before this crisis, and the general public does not want to higher pay taxes or day use fees, they do not have the resources or manpower to keep up with doing the extra cleaning duties. So they have no choice but close the facilities and send people home...just an unfortunate reality of the situation.
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Re: martial law

Postby smitty » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:28 am

mgrant wrote:... they do not have the resources or manpower to keep up with doing the extra cleaning duties. So they have no choice but close the facilities and send people home...just an unfortunate reality of the situation.


Since all of the public parks and public everything is closed, nothing is being maintained or managed, how are resources and manpower in short supply? What are they actually doing, besides being paid to stay home? … and forbid us from boating? The middle of a lake or river is not conducive to viral transmission, but … we are talking about government. Common sense, logic and rational thinking go completely out the window (4 years Navy, I know)
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Re: martial law

Postby Toddco » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:32 am

The passing of Joe certainly saddens me. Can anyone tell me what jukebox he is propped up against so i can go pay my respects.
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Re: martial law

Postby smitty » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:43 am

mgrant, I certainly do not mean to pick on you - I appreciate you as a forum brother, and your contribution.

I should take my own advice: no one is going to change my mind, why should I try to change some one else's?
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Re: martial law

Postby mgrant » Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:53 am

smitty wrote:
mgrant wrote:... they do not have the resources or manpower to keep up with doing the extra cleaning duties. So they have no choice but close the facilities and send people home...just an unfortunate reality of the situation.


Since all of the public parks and public everything is closed, nothing is being maintained or managed, how are resources and manpower in short supply? What are they actually doing, besides being paid to stay home? … and forbid us from boating? The middle of a lake or river is not conducive to viral transmission, but … we are talking about government. Common sense, logic and rational thinking go completely out the window (4 years Navy, I know)


I tried to explain it the best as I can in my experience in both the private sector, and park management. Since you chose not to understand what I posted, I see no point in participating any further in this thread.
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Re: martial law

Postby mtncntrykid » Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:19 pm

Smitty,
I lost my mother last week and my father is showing symptoms. What part of "stay at home order" don't you understand? Consider others please!
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Re: martial law

Postby MarcN » Thu Apr 02, 2020 8:50 pm

Sorry for your loss but I doubt anyone going fishing or boating caused their death I’d say most likely their age and health were the contributing factors
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Re: martial law

Postby mtncntrykid » Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:25 pm

Not going to say it did but I think the point is that the virus could be passed to someone who contracted it from a public restroom (or something else) and passed it on to someone who might have came and visited their relative in the care facility before they had symptoms and passed it on. This is the point of staying home. You don't know what, where, who, or how you are passing this virus on. I am hopeful that people will think beyond themselves and the potential risk they are causing to others they may never know! I can't personally justify a little personal inconvenience isn't worth potentially saving someones life. (whether I know about it or not)
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Re: martial law

Postby Akclassic » Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:05 am

I know that when the fish are in up here, many of us many Alaskans are going to get their fish for the year, no matter what the order is. There are people that use the river systems for a road for cabin resupply, fish camps, and other cultural uses. Come hell or high water my boat will be in the water (preferably high water).
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Re: martial law

Postby MarcN » Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:00 am

Sorry to anyone that has lost a loved one but I sure the hell will be fishing every Sunday for the rest of the summer I wear my gloves when I fill up and don’t use public restrooms I’ll pee right on the boat ramp so as long as I live in America I will be exercising my constitutional rights
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