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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby broncobran68 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:34 am

viking wrote:I predict 12K initially, decreasing to 11K, and good water clarity.


I guess that’s what it’ll be then, since you never seem to be wrong. Thanks for letting me know which boat to pack!
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Eagle1 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 7:05 pm

Viking,

Do you have a magic ball or a long term site you go to ?

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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:08 pm

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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby lovetheedge » Thu Feb 28, 2019 9:43 am

Will you all be singing that around the campfire? IS it required you know all the words?
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby lovetheedge » Thu Feb 28, 2019 6:04 pm

We are having near record snowfalls in McCall. As of Tuesday 68 inches of snow fell in February, the record is 70 inches. So far this year we have had 131 inches when the yearly average is 135.8 inches. Brundage ski resort recorded 3 times the average amount of snow in February and so far this year it has received 278 inches of snow which exceeded the 2017-18 total season of 247 inches. All this means lots of water for spring.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby seanster » Thu Feb 28, 2019 7:54 pm

lovetheedge wrote:We are having near record snowfalls in McCall. As of Tuesday 68 inches of snow fell in February, the record is 70 inches. So far this year we have had 131 inches when the yearly average is 135.8 inches. Brundage ski resort recorded 3 times the average amount of snow in February and so far this year it has received 278 inches of snow which exceeded the 2017-18 total season of 247 inches. All this means lots of water for spring.


Cool!

According to the website below, assuming that snow water equivalent is what I think it is, most of Idaho has accumulated more than 100% of normal. Lots of water, indeed!

https://www.wcc.nrcs.usda.gov/ftpref/da ... update.pdf
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby 300club » Wed Mar 06, 2019 2:25 pm

Peter.. what are your go dates.. are you locked in on then now..
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Wed Mar 06, 2019 3:26 pm

We are not yet locked in. March 29 launch is the first choice. If the flow is too low, then April 19 launch. Weather is predicted to warm a bit by March 20th. If that sort of holds, then there should be sufficient water by the 29th. We want noob-friendly flow, and experience suggests the low-end limit of roughly 7.5K is harder than the high end limit, which is relatively squishy. By March 16 we should be getting a better feel for the 29th.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Tatr » Wed Mar 06, 2019 10:10 pm

Is this run still happening I am interested
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Riverjohn » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:28 am

viking wrote:We are not yet locked in. March 29 launch is the first choice. If the flow is too low, then April 19 launch. Weather is predicted to warm a bit by March 20th. If that sort of holds, then there should be sufficient water by the 29th. We want noob-friendly flow, and experience suggests the low-end limit of roughly 7.5K is harder than the high end limit, which is relatively squishy. By March 16 we should be getting a better feel for the 29th.

Tatr wrote:Is this run still happening I am interested

viking wrote:We are not yet locked in. March 29 launch is the first choice. If the flow is too low, then April 19 launch. Weather is predicted to warm a bit by March 20th. If that sort of holds, then there should be sufficient water by the 29th. We want noob-friendly flow, and experience suggests the low-end limit of roughly 7.5K is harder than the high end limit, which is relatively squishy. By March 16 we should be getting a better feel for the 29th.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Tatr » Thu Mar 07, 2019 9:44 am

Sorry for the double post. I'm using my phone and didnt see my first post show up. @love the edge, I have been running the lower salmon( between schookumchuck and pine bar) for around a year. I have clocked about 40 hrs in my boat on the salmon river and another 15 on the snake around gellar bar.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Mon Mar 11, 2019 12:05 pm

Predicted air temperatures rise significantly beginning on March 17. Predicted flows rise a couple days later. Therefore, acceptable noob flow March 29 is becoming more likely.

https://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/rfc/

Also, should the flow be non-noob, it is highly likely a run will occur on March 29 anyway.

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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Thu Mar 14, 2019 11:05 am

Predicted flow continues to climb toward the noob-acceptable range. However, this is the Salmon River, so anything is possible. First-time noobs have run this as low as 7.5K White Bird w/o hitting. However, your results may differ. No warranty is offered. Please inspect prior to purchase. Dry clean only. Tumble dry on low setting. Check lug nut tightness after each 50 miles. Tire wear in excess of specification voids the non-existent warranty. Use DOT-3 brake fluid only. Inspect for water ingress.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Sun Mar 17, 2019 5:11 pm

Predicted flow on March 28th is around 6K, which is a bit low for a legitimate noob run. However, this is the Salmon River, so the exact effect of impending warmer air temperatures cannot be known precisely. My current plan is to do the run on the 29th regardless of flow.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby broncobran68 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:01 pm

I’ll be there for the 29th, low water or not.

What are we doing for a pre-run? I was thinking maybe run up from Vinegar the 27th and 28th. Or maybe we’ll want to pre-run part of the lower? Not sure I want to flirt with upper Hells again.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Sun Mar 17, 2019 7:51 pm

All I know for sure is I'm planning to drive on March 26. Seems like we ran up from Spring Bar at 7K or something, and chickened out somewhere above Elkhorn. We might also look at Hammer Creek to Spring Bar and decide how runnable-ish it is. The lowest we've run it is 17K, so a run at lower flow may be interesting. Or maybe look at upper Hells and scout Granite from the Idaho side, or something. The flow could be very high, or not, depending on what the dam guys decide.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Eagle1 » Sun Mar 17, 2019 10:50 pm

I ran the main above Spring Bar at 4100 all the way to Five mile bar and it was a bit bone dry. I think because I'm going to the Rogue for 12 days in late April and don't want a wrecked boat that i'm waiting till after July 4 to run the lower main salmon. The main salmon between 8-10 K above Spring Bar is nice. Where ever you run have fun. :Drink: :Drink: :Drink:

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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:34 am

Did Eagle1 just say he's not gonna make either the pre-run or the actual run? Wow! I'm so surprised!

Regarding predicted air temperatures, in Idaho Falls they are at least 15 F higher than recent. Overnight lows slightly above freezing mean that the melting process won't reverse at night. So there's a good chance the predicted 2K flow rise is an understatement. Time will tell.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Eagle1 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 1:24 pm

Peter, you did not hear me, you read it on the screen. LOL waiting for prime water. I can go anytime I want. I don't have a JOB anymore. I will come over in nice weather and run after the flush of snow. If you boaters need a good repair guy I know of a couple. Post up the dents. Cheers


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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby broncobran68 » Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:59 pm

Quotes from the 2018 thread when we had prime water:


Eagle1 wrote:Peter, I'm going to the Rogue and don't need any dents till then. Diesel is running sweet and doing 10 days on the rogue. Will run lower Salmon later after water drops to learn river. Need to haul ice up to rubber ducks anyway. Everyone had a dent free run.


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Eagle1 wrote:Are the flows in August on the lower salmon run able in a 25' ?

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