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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Thu Jan 03, 2019 7:55 pm

"We" are starting to think more April 13-15.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Eagle1 » Thu Jan 03, 2019 8:05 pm

What do you think the flow will be ?

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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Thu Jan 03, 2019 9:18 pm

Somewhere between 4K and 40K. Best learning flow is maybe 10-12K, but we've run it between 7 and 30K. Although snow pack is relevant, as is rain, it mostly depends on air temperature, so we won't have a clue until roughly two week prior.

Have no fear! All will definitely turn out well! Probably!
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby chariotdriver » Thu Jan 03, 2019 10:42 pm

3 months to go; keep the updates coming.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:44 am

It appears that April 13-15 is a definite no-go. So some dates other than these dates. Probably. For definitely.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Tue Jan 08, 2019 12:58 am

Also, to possibly break the voting tie for this year's theme song, the following option has been added.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq-gYOrU8bA
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Eagle1 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:17 am

Just left the store and spotted a case of water called Smart water. Maybe we bring a case or two just for backup.

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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby broncobran68 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 4:48 am

Don’t forget the rock softener and maybe the rapid flattener. :Drink:
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Eagle1 » Tue Jan 08, 2019 1:05 pm

In the soap department they have water softener also. So maybe pour a few bottles on the slide.


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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Fri Feb 01, 2019 3:08 pm

Woo hoo! Only 2 months or so to go! Based on potential trouble spots from prior runs, here are some videos.

To help everyone survive the first rapid on the Lower Salmon, here it is:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6SQUsSVwZc

Insane speed and power are not required. There's simply the technical difficult of making the turn immediately after the climb. Too much speed on the climb makes the turn difficult.

On my first couple of runs I was "completely surprised" only at "half-and-half" rapid. At 11 K there's definitely a rock you can overlook. Note the giant blob rock and sandy beach above it as a visual reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7_Q-qNPg3Y

Here's the view from upstream. Due to low water, the sleeper is super obvious (top is dry) at 1:45.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bJvfuF_DAc

China rapid is also known to cause confusion. Running downstream is difficult primarily because the rapid appears as you round a corner. If this catches you by surprise, remember to start sort of left, then make the cut-across at 15 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz8IdYoxiwU

Upstream run:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yee5Jnxng_I

Pine Bar is a difficult read. Here I take the high water line, but you can see the correct line against the bank at 17 sec. The current isn't fast near the bank, so little speed is needed (at noob-friendly flow).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTunNrvlQv0

There are many vids on YouTube at below-noob flows — like at 3500 cfs, which is less than half of what we'd like. These vids are very helpful, but hopefully the flow will be higher.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Sat Feb 02, 2019 12:28 pm

Rafter video of Pine Bar. Flow is much lower than desired for a noob run, but it shows clearly that the slot is narrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lO-KTji5tbg
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Fri Feb 08, 2019 7:43 pm

We're thinking more definitely possibly about the weekend of March 30. Meet at confluence at noon on Friday, March 29. Two nights on river, concluding Sunday, March 31. (All times Mountain Time.) From both Heller and Pittsburg, the one-way distance is roughly 80 miles. So budget 80 gallons (plus margin) for a 22' carbed 460 with Berkeley. More or less efficient boats will have a different fuel budget. Turn-around is at Hammer Creek, near White Bird. Fuel will be stashed at Hammer Creek as necessary. Ask and it will be made available. As a last resort, there is a filling station in White Bird, about 1/2 mile walk from a ramp.

If there is no water in the river that weekend, the next possibility is April 19 launch.

I will likely be in the area for several days prior to the official run. Probably at Pittsburg, or something.

We will be favoring VHF radios, but will be CB tolerant, with some being bilingual. A radio is not required, but is nice. Spare hand-helds are available.

At ideal noob flows, lexan is not needed (unless you have a propensity for taking waves over the boat). However, lexan becomes relevant as flow increases, and may be a good idea if flow exceeds 20K White Bird. Need is also dependent on your experience and ability to keep the bow high and window dry. So this is one of those "it depends" things.

"Should you try this run?" The first time we did this, we had 4 boats, all noobs to this stretch of river, and very noobish regarding water reading. Some love-tapping occurred in Pine Bar because we didn't know the correct line. I was terrified, but it worked out fine. However, significant hits have occurred, so nothing is guaranteed.

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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby PhilOB » Sat Feb 09, 2019 1:53 pm

I will be able to make it this year I will put in at whitebird and meet u at the confluence on Friday
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Tatr » Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:31 pm

Hi all, I'm new to the forum and to jet boating but I am curious if this run is still in the works? I would like to attend. Thanks
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby Howard » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:12 am

Just to make sure I am understanding. Dates are open but whatever the dates we are to plan for 2.5 days on the water?
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby broncobran68 » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:36 am

Yep, we’re still shooting for March 29-31 for the (un)official run, although this feels like the year that it it may be too cold to produce good flow.

Typically a few of us show up a day or two early and play in Upper Hells Canyon. And sometimes we stay after and continue up the Salmon.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby lovetheedge » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:22 pm

Tatr, you don't say how new are you to jet boating. What experience if any do you have? If brand new and not really comfortable with your boat or if this is first time running white water, this may not be the trip for you until you get that experience depending upon water flows. Some noobs have done this trip, but not at the high flows. Just my opinion.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby chariotdriver » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:04 am

broncobran68 wrote:Yep, we’re still shooting for March 29-31 for the (un)official run, although this feels like the year that it it may be too cold to produce good flow.

Typically a few of us show up a day or two early and play in Upper Hells Canyon. And sometimes we stay after and continue up the Salmon.


Is there a back-up plan if the Mar 29-31 doesn't work? Rolex the operation 2 weeks to the right would be my first guess. Doesn't appear to anything close to 2 years ago.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby broncobran68 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:37 am

That’ll be up to you guys. I work the following two weekends, then jet boat races, then more work. I plan to spend a week in the area around race time.

It’s been raining for days here, can’t believe the forecast isn’t showing much of a rise yet.
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Re: Lower Salmon Noobs 2019

Postby viking » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:59 am

I predict 12K initially, decreasing to 11K, and good water clarity.
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