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Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby viking » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:19 pm

Announcing! Salmon river run from Corn Creek (about 40 miles downstream from North Fork, ID) to confluence (with Snake River) roughly May/June 2019, depending on flow. 200 miles each way. Fuel truck at White Bird, ID. Target flow is 20-30K on the White Bird gauge. This is not a noob run. At the target flows it is primarily a "look out for big water" run, rather than a "dodge a zillion rocks" run. However, this doesn't mean there will be zero rock-dodging.

In past runs, participants had no requirements other than a boat and human pilot. However, this year "we" are raising the bar: lexan or equivalent is required. If you attend the 2019 run, we will explain how this new requirement came into existence.

Depending on your boat, experience, and risk-tolerance, this may or may not be the run for you. Opportunities to pre-run portions of the river are (1) the spring lower Salmon noob run, and (2) the spring runs with either the WWA or IJBA. However, these are likely to be at lower flow than the CCTC. Crappy equipment and inexperience have completed this run successfully in the past. However, this may or may not be the norm.

Exact date will be known when it is known.

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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby lovetheedge » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:35 pm

Peter gets a new boat and turns into a mad man, I still want to do this run. Maybe this year the stars will align.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby chariotdriver » Fri Oct 26, 2018 2:29 pm

lovetheedge wrote:Peter gets a new boat and turns into a mad man, I still want to do this run. Maybe this year the stars will align.


Pretty funny. Hoping the schedule, flows, stars, etc. all get in alignment. An incredible stretch of water, would really like to make it again.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby NoProplem » Fri Nov 02, 2018 11:16 am

viking wrote:
In past runs, participants had no requirements other than a boat and human pilot. However, this year "we" are raising the bar: lexan or equivalent is required. !



I guess me and my plain glass windows will have to stay home... :Scared:
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby viking » Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:11 pm

See harborsales.net for lexan delivered to your door.

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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby Skirulefool » Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:17 pm

What is the lowest flows you guys have done this run?
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby viking » Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:24 pm

21K White Bird.

Primary gotchas as flow gets lower are (1) sleeper rocks in the Twin Bridges area, and (2) Black Creek, which is about 20 miles downstream from Corn Creek. We've run Twin Bridges at 17K, but I don't have a feel for when the sleepers become important. Black Creek has changed a lot the past couple years, so a low cutoff is tough to call. We ran it at about 12K a couple years ago.

Bear in mind that, although we do know the river somewhat, we're definitely doing a lot of read-and-run. The few who are intimate with the entire 200 miles can run it at far lower flow.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby Skirulefool » Tue Nov 06, 2018 8:10 pm

viking wrote:21K White Bird.

Primary gotchas as flow gets lower are (1) sleeper rocks in the Twin Bridges area, and (2) Black Creek, which is about 20 miles downstream from Corn Creek. We've run Twin Bridges at 17K, but I don't have a feel for when the sleepers become important. Black Creek has changed a lot the past couple years, so a low cutoff is tough to call. We ran it at about 12K a couple years ago.

Bear in mind that, although we do know the river somewhat, we're definitely doing a lot of read-and-run. The few who are intimate with the entire 200 miles can run it at far lower flow.

Thanks, I might be able to make it
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby Howard » Mon Nov 26, 2018 12:46 pm

Aren't the rapids easier to run going upstream? Always seemed that way to me. So why not run this route going upstream? It's a one way run correct?
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby broncobran68 » Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:14 pm

We run back up too. We live on the east side so that’s where we start.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby lovetheedge » Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:08 am

Brandon,
How is that new boat of yours? I am thinking It should be done by now. Tell us about it and perhaps post some pics.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby broncobran68 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:38 am

Not done yet, but she’s coming along. 18x5.5, 1/4-3/8” bottom, steel, sport jet, center stick, one air ride.

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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby eby8510 » Tue Nov 27, 2018 2:50 pm

Probably should move this to another thread but please most pics of that build.

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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby lovetheedge » Tue Nov 27, 2018 11:59 pm

I think some of this can remain here as I am sure that new baby will be on the run. Looks like fun
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby broncobran68 » Wed Nov 28, 2018 2:18 am

My 21’ is already on the small side for when we typically do this run. Perhaps we’ll run it again in lower water so I can use the 18’. I do hope to use the new boat on the Lower Salmon run if the flow is right.

I’ll get a build thread started.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby viking » Sun Apr 21, 2019 12:10 pm

Probably this is still planned, target flow is 25K ish White Bird sort of, and decreasing gradually or something. Date not yet known ish. At target flow, you need a good handle on big waves and bow shear. Rock reading isn't so important. I wonder what's the max flow for and 18' sport jet at The Slide?
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby chariotdriver » Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:25 pm

Bet 25k'ish isn't out of bounds. Are the dates getting any firmer?
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby viking » Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:50 pm

not yet ish.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby viking » Mon May 06, 2019 10:56 am

Tentative start date is June 13, concluding June 17. Ish. Refuel will happen somewhere. A cohort may launch at Spring Bar. Desired flow is 20-30K ish White Bird. Exuberance may extend the run upstream from Corn Creek as much as 40 or 60 miles, flow and fuel permitting. At the target flow, big waves and bow shear are the primary difficulty. Rock-reading is less important, but still a requirement.

As stated previously, crappy equipment and general inexperience have completed this run successfully. However, this may not be the norm. If you join in as a first-timer, general guidance will be offered at known trouble spots, and scouting may happen too. Minimum flow for this run may be as low as 10K White Bird. Max flow is not known, but if excessive may cause us to re-think. Given snow pack, high flow is more likely.
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Re: Corn Creek To Confluence 2019 (CCTC)

Postby chariotdriver » Mon May 06, 2019 12:03 pm

Sounds good, can make those dates work. Plan on launching at Spring Bar, should help with fuel.
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