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ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby No Worries » Tue Jan 09, 2018 1:21 pm

PACIFIC POWERTRAIN, INC. ANNOUNCES DISTRIBUTION AGREEMENT FOR ROTAX MARINE ENGINES
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby smitty » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:47 pm

Forward thinking... I like it.

We all know that there are these unusual people who like the SportJet (while the rest of us run the V8's and diesels that weigh their equivalent mass in lead).

A lightweight 4 cycle with a track record makes sense, but it says that they are only available for new construction OEM builds. Shame, nice option for some who wish to re-power, methinks.
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Postby riverhounddog » Fri Mar 02, 2018 9:17 pm

Is anyone besides Hewes craft using these?
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Snake River » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:33 am

We are currently finishing up the casting of the suction housing, when that is complete we have orders from several large and small OEM's.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Music Man » Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:04 am

Are these engines available to OEM manufactures now?
I heard a rumor that they changed the time frame to next year?
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Snake River » Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:47 am

We are currently shipping engines to OEMs for proto type work, and Hewes Craft is currently offering a model with this package in it. The tooling for the casting of the suction housing is currently in the finishing process and we will be offering the complete package very shortly now. So no there has been no delay till next year.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Music Man » Thu Apr 12, 2018 2:09 pm

So we can get a motor and your pump but can't get just a motor, and can't modify anything to make it fit in different boats?
There are other pumps on the market that people would like to use! Sounds like you are shooting your self in the foot.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby PPI » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:18 pm

We sell a complete propulsion package that includes everything from the stomp grate to the key switch. Yes we require the OEM's to use our suction package. The main reason is our contractual obligation to BRP to develop a consistent way of getting the same performance results time and time again with many different boat applications. We have a lot of money and time to develop our suction package, and we believe we have a product that will fit most boats. There was 2 things that people seemed to ask for when we were developing this. First lots of bars for debris protection, and then they wanted lots of open area to have none or minimal cavitation. We understand that there are some minijet boat builders that do not want to adjust their boat to fit this suction, but there are many others that have, or are making appropriate adjustments to fit this suction and are happy to have it. Fitment doesn't seem to be an issue outside of the minijet market.

There is a couple things that cannot be altered in this package. First thing that cannot be altered is the muffler. The muffler is part of the EPA certification. If altered the package will no longer meet any EPA certifications, including CARB certification. If the EPA certification is voided then that makes this package illegal for a OEM to install into their boat.

Second is the intercooler. The intercooler has formed hoses that don't have any excess strain on the hoses, and have a barb at each location to help keep the hoses on when under pressure. Most OEM's that want to move the intercooler want to cut the provided hoses and use aluminum pipe in between mutiple hoses to get the routing they want. They don't bother putting a barb on the pipe and increase the clamp connections from 2 per hose, to 4-6 per hose. It becomes difficult to maintain consistency and reliability when this happens. If the intercooler is a problem for a builder then I would recommend going to the 200, or 150hp engines.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby waylon » Sat Apr 14, 2018 8:38 pm

sounds like price , and market control, and nothing else really. :Drink:got my money on the sporjet kicking it's ass in a head to head matchup. prove me wrong.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby akcharlie4 » Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:52 pm

Anymore news on these? Are they available yet?
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Snake River » Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:44 am

We have been held up on getting a final casting from the foundry, however we have just received what we think will be the final casting design. We are now putting it in a boat for final testing, and if all goes well we will be in production shortly.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Ahusk » Thu Aug 02, 2018 12:56 pm

Out of curiosity if there is no production intake yet what does the hewescraft have in it?
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby akcharlie4 » Mon Aug 06, 2018 1:45 pm

I am curious about the Hewescraft also. Did the make there own jet or is it made by Pacific Powertrain? Who makes the replacement parts.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Benny » Mon Aug 06, 2018 8:59 pm

Thinking the Hornets nest has been shaken!!! LOL How fast can you back paddle???
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Snake River » Tue Aug 07, 2018 9:42 am

Who makes the jet? The engines and jet pumps are built and supplied through Rotax and BRP. Pacific Powertrain is the North American Distributor for these items. Like the engines and pumps the replacement parts for the engines and pumps are again produced by Rotax and BRP, then distributed through Pacific Powertrain who is the North American Distributor for these products. By contract with BRP only builders are allowed to purchase the engine packages. The remainder of the parts that are required to complete the package are either built by Pacific Powertrain, or are sourced through American manufacturers who PPI has distributor agreements with. All replacement parts will be readily available through PPI.

At the same time PPI was in negotiations with BRP Hewes was dealing with them to develop a package at their own expense for use in the boats that they manufacture. During this time they developed a suction that worked for their application and BRP would approve. BRP/Rotax at the time would only sell their packages to manufactures that have a suction approved by them, which is a large investment for both parties. Due to the time and money they invested it was decided during PPI's negotiations with BRP that it would only be proper to allow them to continue with their project and purchase engines from PPI. Hewes was the only aluminum jet boat manufacture at the time of the agreement between PPI and BRP that was working direct with BRP to use the Rotax engines in their boats. Instead of every individual boat manufacture having to create their own BRP approved suction, it was determined that PPI would develop at their own expense a suction in conjunction with BRP that would be the accepted suction for use with their engines and pumps in the aluminum jet boat industry. This move would allow more access to the engines by large as well as small manufactures, a product that was the same for use with their packages, alleviate the developmental lag time, and save developmental cost for all of the parties involved. I hope that I have answered the questions that have been asked.
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby Riverjohn » Tue Aug 07, 2018 10:11 am

Snake River wrote:Who makes the jet? The engines and jet pumps are built and supplied through Rotax and BRP. Pacific Powertrain is the North American Distributor for these items. Like the engines and pumps the replacement parts for the engines and pumps are again produced by Rotax and BRP, then distributed through Pacific Powertrain who is the North American Distributor for these products. By contract with BRP only builders are allowed to purchase the engine packages. The remainder of the parts that are required to complete the package are either built by Pacific Powertrain, or are sourced through American manufacturers who PPI has distributor agreements with. All replacement parts will be readily available through PPI.

At the same time PPI was in negotiations with BRP Hewes was dealing with them to develop a package at their own expense for use in the boats that they manufacture. During this time they developed a suction that worked for their application and BRP would approve. BRP/Rotax at the time would only sell their packages to manufactures that have a suction approved by them, which is a large investment for both parties. Due to the time and money they invested it was decided during PPI's negotiations with BRP that it would only be proper to allow them to continue with their project and purchase engines from PPI. Hewes was the only aluminum jet boat manufacture at the time of the agreement between PPI and BRP that was working direct with BRP to use the Rotax engines in their boats. Instead of every individual boat manufacture having to create their own BRP approved suction, it was determined that PPI would develop at their own expense a suction in conjunction with BRP that would be the accepted suction for use with their engines and pumps in the aluminum jet boat industry. This move would allow more access to the engines by large as well as small manufactures, a product that was the same for use with their packages, alleviate the developmental lag time, and save developmental cost for all of the parties involved. I hope that I have answered the questions that have been asked.

I think this should answer those questions. However in hindsight this probably should have been posted a long time age. I like almost everyone else on here assumed that you already had the suction and that you were already selling a complete package. :Drink:
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Re: ROTAX NEWS RELEASE

Postby akcharlie4 » Wed Aug 08, 2018 1:34 pm

Ok. Thanks, so what hewescraft is using and what you are working on are going to be different? I am asking this because there is a hewescraft here in town for sale.
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